Not Exactly Always Hospitable for Non-Liberals: Ex or Liberal Christian Sites and Spiritual or Abuse Survivor Blogs & the Christian Trump-Bashing Infatuation
I’ve been center of right, politically, since I was a kid.
I don’t know where I currently stand in regards to the Christian faith.
However, I still adhere to traditional values, which are pretty much in line with a conservative Christian understanding of the Bible.
Though I find myself somewhat more and more of a libertarian in outlook as I grow older, meaning, hey, I don’t agree with your lifestyle choices, but if you’re an adult, and it’s not hurting me or John Doe, I don’t really care what you do in your personal life.
I did not vote for anyone in the 2016 U.S. Presidential elections because I disliked all candidates.
However, I don’t care who YOU voted for, or if, like me, you sat that one out and did not cast a ballot at all.
I understand my Democrat friends who voted for Hillary and why. I understand my Democrat friends who hated Hillary so they were vying for Sanders.
I understand my Republican and conservative friends who loved Trump, or the ones who dislike Trump but hated Hillary more, so they went with Trump.
I also understand the folks who didn’t like either Trump or Hillary, so they went with a third party guy.
I am okay with any all all those above scenarios. I don’t get angry, offended, and upset by people, whether Christian or not, if they voted for Hillary, Trump, a third party candidate, or if they wrote “Mickey Mouse” on their ballot.
A lot of people had good reasons for why they voted as they did. Nobody, or I would suspect, hardly anyone, is a monster, rube, sexist, racist, or idiot just because they voted for one candidate or another, or did not vote at all.
It was a difficult election for just about every one, regardless of political stance.
That should give you an idea of where I am coming from.
EX CHRISTIAN, LIBERAL CHRISTIAN, OR SPIRITUAL ABUSE TWITTER ACCOUNTS OR BLOGS
In the last 3 to 4 years, I have participated on spiritual abuse blogs, and have lurked at Christian gender egalitarian forums, blogs, groups, and I have followed Christian gender egalitarians (or mutualists) on social media.
Can I just say as someone who is right of center, who holds to traditional values, I sometimes find such persons, groups, blogs, or Twitter accounts a little oppressive, myopic, or unfair?
Further, some of the Christians I began following over various social media of mine in the last two years, (in order to view their critiques of Christian gender complementarianism, church abuse, and other non-political topics), have, ever since Trump won and took office in January 2017, turned their social media accounts, blogs, or Facebook groups, into non-stop political pontificating platforms.
And they are, without exception, anti-Trump, anti-Republican, anti-traditional morality in tone or flavor. This is possibly not necessarily true of the blog or group owners themselves in all cases, but the majority of commentators who leave remarks in the groups or blogs do lean left.
You may be able to imagine what effect this has on people who either voted for Trump, are conservative, or who don’t agree with liberal “Social Justice Warrior” values.
It is chilling and stifling, and above all, mind-numbing.
I don’t feel as comfortable participating on groups, forums, or blogs where people of my political or values system will be shouted down, shamed, scolded, or become the recipients of negative labels.
It should occur to the people who are behind the blogs, facebook groups, or twitter accounts, that some of the people who have been spiritually abused, hurt, neglected, or mistreated by churches or by Christians, who could use some emotional support, are right wingers.
Not all of your readership is going to consist of SJW, Bernie Sanders- or Hillary Clinton- supporting, pro-choice, pro-LGBT, anti -Trump liberals.
You have conservatives who have been hurt by pastors, certain doctrines, or churches who could also use a hand up, but no (or little) concern is shown for those in this group.
Care is taken to either dance around the sensitivities of wounded liberals on such sites, or they are openly pandered to (and sometimes, at the expense of conservatives or conservative beliefs).
I have several social media accounts where I have followed or friended all kinds of people, some of whom are Christians who post information about gender complementarianism and spiritual abuse.
I have had to put on mute, or un-follow, some of those accounts.
I have done so because they went from being solid resources for non-political content I am interested in, and just fine folks to chat with, to being non-stop political machines who use their group, blog, or twitter to criticize Trump, Republicans, conservatives, or Christians who voted for Trump, at every turn.
In some cases, as I said, it’s not so much the group or blog master who presents an issue in this area so much as it is their readership is largely comprised of liberals who cannot either openly or covertly (depending on the culture of the group) resist from taking pot-shots at Trump or conservatives.
There is at least one blog I can think of where some of its core membership regularly post very indirect, vague, or sweetly-worded pot-shots at Trump, or who take pot-shots at people who do not support liberal or Democratic policies, or who slam people who do not support open-scale Islamic immigration, and such topics.
Some times these put-downs of conservatives on these spiritual abuse survivor groups or blogs come out of left field, in a thread discussion that has nothing to do with politics – at least one member fairly routinely works in slams and insults of Trump or conservatives, but does so in a very “beat around the bush” sort of way, which is nasty of her.
But she often depicts herself as a lovely, caring, sweet person on said blog. I don’t think she’s quite as truly sweet as she presents herself as.
SEXISM AND ISLAM
I may in the future create a separate post where I discuss the link between Islam and sexism, but this is not one subject I care to get into a lot in this post.
All I will say for now is the following:
Yes, sexism in fact exists in and is practiced by some of the people of the Islamic faith both in the United States and in other nations, and some Muslims do in fact use their religious beliefs to justify the sexism.
The same problems with sexism in Christianity under Gender Complementarian teachings (which I have blogged about here, among other posts) which is roundly acknowledged by the same Islamic apologists at these other blogs is the same, or in some cases, worse, in Islam under Sharia, and in some of Islam’s religious texts and teachings of their Imams.
To deny this, or downplay it, is the height of intellectual dishonesty and pure hypocrisy.
I do not condone or make excuses for sexism, or for any religion or religious thought that perpetuates sexism, or violence against girls and women, whether it is in Christianity or in Islam, and hell yes, it is most certainly present in Islam.
I have worked with and around a myriad of people over my life, including Muslims and people from the Middle East, but me having known a few Muslims doesn’t change the fact that some Muslims practice sexism against women, or are apathetic of other Muslims who are sexist, and some use their religious training as a grounds to do so.
One cannot be expected to be taken seriously as being in opposition to sexism and violence against women, when one feigns shocked sentiments or ignorance that sexism and violence against women is indeed an issue in Islam (it is not a myth or figment of my imagination), or that any Muslim any where is, can be, or has been, sexist against women at any time.
If one tries mentioning any of this at some Ex Christian, Liberal Christian, or spiritual abuse sites, one will be shouted down by folks who adhere to double standards: they will point to the sexist sins of white, Republican, Christian males all day long, but they suddenly turn deaf-mute or go into Denial Mode when cases and examples of sexism against girls and women by Muslims is brought up.
Do you think I (or other non-conformists) feel comfortable engaging in such environments, where I am out-numbered, and whose members are in some kind of cognitive dissonance over Islamic sexism, and other topics? I do not.
SCIENCE, EVOLUTION, YEC
Over the last few years, I have moved to being fairly agnostic about the age of the earth and evolution topics.
I am, however, turned off by how often some of these spiritual abuse groups “bash” people who adhere to YEC views. YEC adherents are quite often dismissed as being yokels.
Further, even though creationist Ken Ham has plainly stated that belief in YEC is not necessary to “be saved,” some of these anti-YEC blogs and groups continue to insist he teaches as such.
I am skeptical of naturalism*, of scientific claims and findings. I don’t always automatically buy into an idea just because some scientist somewhere says so.
I’m skeptical of all sides on that debate (evolution, age of the earth, and so on) and really, at times, tire of the hubris or mindset of absolute certainty that the pro-Evolution and pro-Old Age of Earth types bring to the table.
a philosophical viewpoint according to which everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted.
I think there is something to the Ken Ham-ish argument that once you insist Genesis (or its Creation account) is all symbolic or allegorical, it calls into question the rest of the Bible and how to read it.
One will have to wonder if Moses was really and truly a historical figure, if he, via God, really parted the Red Sea, or is all that just a literary device to convey some neat-o idea about faith?
Is Jesus Christ real? Did Jesus really raise a dead girl to life and heal lepers? Did Jesus literally, truly walk on water? Did he actually arise from the dead?
Well, maybe not, if we’re going to start chalking up parts of the Bible as being symbolic. And who gets to determine what parts are symbolic, and why should I take his or her word for it?
If it’s all just a literary device, and the Bible is just a big book of fairy tale stories meant to make a larger point about life, why would I want to read it, follow it, study, or believe in it?
Why would I want to follow a God who did not, or who does not, at least at one point, actually intervene in human affairs to speak to us or to help us out?
At any rate, even if one is not a YEC, but one is also not an un-critical supporter of scientific naturalism and any and all things in regards to evolution, one won’t feel too welcome on certain blogs at times.
I think that the liberal readership of such groups and sites is coddled both by the site masters, and the general culture of the comments section also promotes such coddling.
My take-away is that the feelings and considerations of right wing Christians (who may or may not … be YEC, Trump voters, or may be opposed to open scale Islamic refugee acceptance, Christian bakers being forced or harassed to bake cakes for homosexual weddings, etc) do not matter.
I don’t know how any person or group can claim to care about victims and the hurting, but then facilitate a culture that alienates conservatives who have been hurt by pastors, churches, or doctrines.
You may even be a liberal who agrees with some of what I’ve said in this post.
I do have left wing friends on other sites who have contacted me privately at times before to tell me they feel their fellow liberal friends are totally nuts and “off their rockers” about Trump and are shocked or turned off to see how other liberals are behaving.
Concerning Ex-Christian, liberal- Christian- dominated, or spiritual abuse sites:
I am tired of either the social media account holders, or the readership on their groups and blogs, or the blog and site masters themselves, constantly slamming Trump, posting anti-Trump critical news or editorials, or bashing anyone who voted for him, or in general, dismissing conservatives or conservative views.
I have started to visit some of these blogs, groups, and sites less often, because of all this, and because the continual whining, temper tantrums, and complaining about Trump, or about those who voted for Trump, have gone over-board.
I can overlook the once or twice a day anti-Trump rant, by the way. I am speaking of certain gender egalitarian or spiritual abuse tweeters or facebookers or bloggers who make it a point to Tweet anti-Trump commentary or links about 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
To those guys, I plead: please give it a rest. We get you dislike Trump; it’s not necessary to advertise it constantly. Some of us who read your sites, Tweets or blogs may have voted for Trump, or we’re turned off by the constant Trump bashing, even if we did not vote for him.
Some of these groups, Twitter accounts, or blogs are just not entirely, consistently, open or friendly for conservatives, or others who don’t walk in lock-step with any and all liberal social justice warrior view points.