Velour Apparently (Was) Posting as Anonymous At Wartburg Whiners Blog – Also: Megs48 Posting to My Blog Same Person as Buzz English
(this post has been updated below, July 15 and July 20, August 3)
In the midst of researching information for this post, I discovered that a suspicious poster on my blog here, Megs48, is linked to the Whiner blog.
If you are not familiar with the fall-out with a Wartburg Watch member named Velour, please see this post on this blog for background.
The WW blog (Wartburg Whiner) (link to that blog’s home page) is by a person (some of whom feel is by an individual who goes by the names “Seneca Griggs”) who is obsessed with Deb, Dee, and the TWW (Wartburg Watch blog), but I am unsure who the author of the blog is.
The person who owns WW (“Whiner”) blog has posted to my blog before, under one of the earliest posts here (I am at least assuming this guy, “Buzz English” is the Whiner blog owner).
He showed up here on a much older post and was asking me what I “really” felt or believed about TWW, and her referred me to the Whiner blog. He seemed to be fishing for controversy.
And why would a random person online want my opinion on the Whiner blog, or on if TWW are “bullies,” unless said poster is also the owner who really, really hates Deb and Dee of TWW?
Someone whom I suspect is the WW guy – or a friend of his – who goes by the name “Megs48” – has posted to this Daisy blog a few times and refuses to clarify if she (or he) is in any way affiliated with WW blog; I have asked Megs about three times so far to please clarify her relationship with WW blog and she has not done so.
(Megs is very close to being blocked on this blog, by the way. Edit: well, keep reading. Yes, Megs has been banned, as has Buzz English.)
Oh, interesting. I just checked my blog’s membership information page to research who that earlier commentator was, and I see that the commentator, a “Buzz English,” and Megs48 are the same person.
Megs48 e-mail address contains the phrase “Buzz English” in it. Both screen names are using the same e-mail address to post to this blog, and they have one I.P.# in common. It’s the same person posting under two names. Deceitful stuff!
You are so busted, Megs48 – or Buzz English, or Seneca Griggs, or whomever you are.
a blog I discovered, wartburgwhiners, seems to suggest a lot of the arguments made by wartburgwatch are actually a form of cyber-bullying.
// end quote by Buzz English
According to my blog’s admin area, Buzz English and Megs48 share the same e-mail address, but they have three different IP#s (possibly using a home computer and a work computer to post from), and, at times, one of the IP#s for Megs exactly matches the same one used by Buzz English.
At any rate, WW (the “Whiner”) blog is not one I like to visit.
I looked the blog up tonight to see if WW blog owner guy was admitting on his blog to posting or lurking here on mine (by the way, the Whiner blog guy ignores the experiences of women such as myself who are former complementarians who have rejected complementarians but who are not liberal or feminist; see for example this post or this post, both on this blog, for more information.)
The person who helms WW blog is sexist.
The Wartburg Whiner blog owner really has a lot vested in keeping women secondary in church, probably in marriages, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the old school variety of cave man sexist who feels women should not receive college educations or hold secular jobs.
(I don’t care to spend more time on his blog investigating his views in-depth. That would be about as appealing as swimming in a sewer.)
I noticed under one of the more recent posts on the WW blog, that a poster posting under the “Anonymous” name sounds an awful lot like Velour.
I’m surprised Velour would now be posting to the “Whiner” blog, considering that the Whiner guy recently slammed her (and possibly me) over our rejection of complementarianism.
(“Megs” left a link to a post by the WW owner where he was slamming Velour – please see this post, by Megs on this blog, for more about that, if you choose. And notice that Megs never did respond to my response there – just ignored it, which is par the course for Megs).
VELOUR on ANTI-TWW “WHINERS” BLOG?
In the comments section of a post at the Whiners blog entitled, “TWW feminists versus N.T. Scripture” (link here is to first comment in the comment section at Whiner blog), we read the following – looks like Velour is posting as “Anonymous” at the Whiner blog (I did not see these posts until July 13):
WHINER BLOG POSTS
Post 1 (on “Whiner” blog):
Dee and Deb are willing to turn their “guns” on anyone who disagrees with them, including moderates and liberals.
They issue threats to people by email. They write hit pieces about members who comment. They have driven countless people away from their blog. It’s Dee and Deb’s way or the highway.
Their blog has taken a turn for the worse, even among once loyal followers. And many people are turned off by the relentless negative articles, as though that’s the only thing that exists in life. There is no balance over at The Wartburg Watch.
// end Anonymous quote
Post 2 ( on “Whiner” blog):
Anonymous July 9, 2017 at 8:50 AM
Many of us have left The Wartburg Watch, disgusted by how negative and out-of-control it is over there.
As one former TWW reader/commenter said, “Dee [Parsons] has become EXACTLY like the [religious] tyrants she writes about.”
// end quote
Please compare those posts with these posts at Wade Burleson’s “Istoria Ministries” blog (link to the thread), where Velour was signing off as “Velour” as most or all of her posts there:
WADE B’s ISTORIA BLOG POSTS
Post 1 (Wade’s Istoria blog) – note it was signed by Velour – Link to comment on blog:
Yes, there have been some good forms of support and prayers at The Wartburg Watch blog.
I am sure that will continue too, even without me there.
I simply can’t agree with the “hit piece” articles at TWW and the lack of hope and help offered for people struggling with the same problems, hope and help for their spouses, and for their children. Even their friends.
I am glad that you are sympathetic and empathetic. You have many beautiful gifts and I love you for all of them.
Post 2 (Wade’s Istoria blog) – note it was signed by Velour – Link to Comment on Blog:
And another outraged Wartburg Watch reader contacted me after Dee Parson’s hit piece about me and said that Dee has become like the tyrants she writes about.
The person said she was gobsmacked by Dee’s viciousness and that she too would NEVER return to The Wartburg Watch blog, that its tenor has changed, and she (like many others) wants no part of it.
She wanted to know why “EXACTLY” that Dee would write such an article. She said Dee’s veiled threat came across loud and clear.
Also, Wade’s blog (by Velour; comment link):
It all seems so dramatic and strange over there at The Wartburg Watch.
I will pray for your family’s health. I am sorry to hear about the bad lab reports.
P.S. Yes, this too — the drama at TWW — shall pass. I’m glad that I am no longer a part of such an, overall, negative community. I miss some positive people like you.
Also on Wade’s Istoria blog, comment by Velour (link to comment):
Thanks for the update. I’ll pray for peoples’ concerns.
There are, in my opinion, lots of unhealthy people at The Wartburg Watch blog who want to take other peoples’ inventories and not their own. It’s not a healthy blog and I won’t be back. I know about half-a-dozen people who are also not coming back to that blog for very similar reasons and they’ve called, emailed me, and sent me messages via Facebook. They’ve reached their limit. (It’ very negative too, the articles. Do we ever hear anything positive?)
I am aware that the person you mention above. Sad. Oh well.
// end quote
Notice how similar the phrasing is across the posts at both blogs, and the emphasis on how TWW is supposedly too negative, the use of the phrase “hit piece,” etc.
These posts across the two blogs were obviously written by the same person.
I find some of this amusing.
I don’t know how honest Velour is being about lots of people being driven away from TWW due to Dee and Deb’s behavior, as she is claiming.
However, I shared with Dee and Deb privately around the time of Velour’s melt down on their site, that one of several reasons I had cut my own participation at TWW back in recent months was due to Velour and Christiane.
Specifically, due to Velour and Christiane monopolizing the comment box over a period of many months, accompanied by Velour’s bossy behavior in the comment box in recent months, and Christiane’s subtle jabs at conservatives and non-Catholics, as well as her phoniness.
Velour and Christiane partially drove me away from TWW, LOL, and here Velour is suggesting that Deb and Dee have drove folks away from TWW.
I can understand to a degree if Velour is angry or upset with TWW – not that I am excusing or agreeing with her behavior on the Sproul thread and so on – but it’s not a bright idea, IMO, for her to go to the “Wartburg Whiners” blog, either. The guy behind the Whiner blog is no prize himself.
—July 15 Update—
I have been notified off this blog that Whiner blog has made some updates (I truly hate that guy’s blog and would prefer to avoid it). But I dropped by after being given alerts.
In a July 14 post, the Whiner Blog guy is thrilled his blog is getting more traffic – probably via mine. Irony. His post is:
Getting more visitors daily – UPDATE on Wartburg Whiner blog
It’s most likely women who are dropping by his blog which is contributing to his increase in blog numbers. Not men. This is funny considering the guy is a sexist stooge who thinks women are the dirt beneath men’s feet.
Seneca (aka Megs / Whiner blog guy / Jimmy) don’t think women are good or worthy enough to teach or lead in churches, but my good gravy, does he ever think women are good enough to be visitors to his blog and increase his blog stats.
Then there is this comment at the bottom of that page:
Jimmy (whomever he is) and Anonymous have “never connected”. Attorneys and legal groups are involved in California to help Anonymous. Dee and Deb are in North Carolina.
“Anonymous” is likely Velour, it’s pretty obvious by now, given the clues I pointed out above.
Just sign your name to those posts, Velour. We all know it’s you.
“Jimmy” is “James Brown,” also known as “Seneca Griggs,” most likely also known as “Megs48,” and “Buzz English,” and likely the guy who owns the “Wartburg Whiners” blog.
Velour, that you have been posting to Whiner guy’s blog is a form of you “connecting” with him.
You may not be painting each other’s toe nails and braiding each other’s hair in sleep overs, but you are using his “Whiners” blog comment box to complain about Wartburg Watch blog.
An attorney to help you with what, exactly, Velour? I’m not following.
You’re – Velour – posting under a fake, single-name screen name, not your real name. It’s not as though people are posting false things about you under your real name.
People have a legal right to post publicly about public comments and actions you’ve taken online.
Why is she trying to bully people into silence by issuing legal threats?
I note that on another Whiner blog post, Whiner blog guy deleted Dee’s post:
“This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.“
—July 20, 2017 Update—
I was alerted in the comment box of this thread that something was going on at Wade’s Istoria blog, so I ventured on over and found this (July 19) post by Velour (who posted as “Anonymous”).
Velour continues to post to Wade’s blog’s thread about this, even though I told her a few days ago on that thread she should probably take it off his site and take it to hers, or use this thread on my blog to talk these things over.
Velour continues to misrepresent TWW and various participants at that blog, though I have corrected her a few times now.
Here is a quote from Velour’s post:
They [her lawyer friends] asked what this heated debate was about and were incredulous that The Wartburg Watch couldn’t cover a public health epidemic about addictions (alcoholism and drugs) and advocated that people with those problems be kicked out of churches!
Not medical care or other help was advocated for those addicted, nor help for their spouses, nor help for their children. No education and resources were given…for a public health epidemic! Talk about a missed opportunity and a missed educational moment.
— end Velour quote —
Nobody at TWW advocated for alcoholics to be kicked out of churches except for Barbara Roberts. Nobody said that alcoholics should not receive treatment. Velour is lying.
The subject of the TWW thread was an alcoholic preacher, Sproul Jr, who was possibly putting his children in harm’s way. The thread was not intended to be a discussion about how best to treat addictions, or what should churches do about addictions.
It’s one thing to complain that one was treated unfairly in one’s perception on a blog and pitch a fit over that (I am okay with that, I get it), but when one is still repeating the same fabrications over and over (such as, “everyone at the blog said alcoholics should get kicked out of churches!” and, “nobody there believes that alcoholics should ever get treatment!”) that is an indication that the person is either delusional (not living in the same reality as the rest of us) or is deceptive.
How can someone who claims to care about victims, and so on, be so dishonest? Velour hurt and offended a few people on that Sproul thread at TWW, but does she care? No.
Velour claims to care about drug addicts and so on, but she took a tacky, insensitive dig at Dee at Wade’s blog by asking in one post something about, “Why is Dee acting so weird, is it those drugs she’s hopped up on?”
If Dee were taking doctor- prescribed medications for her foot and leg problems, Velour, is it sensitive of you to mock her for that, to portray her as being or acting loopy for taking pain medications?
I thought you were St. Velour, the Defender and Protector of All Who Use Drugs and Medications and See Doctors? But here you are mocking someone over possibly taking medications to treat physical pain?
As this astute Anon commentator put it (who was not me; any time I have posted to that thread, I have used my “Daisy” name):
Anonymous said… (comment link)
…and you had no time to talk to dee, Velour?
— end Anon quote —
Velour does have time to run to Wade’s blog and leave these long comments, and to consult with her lawyer friends about blogging, but she cannot arrange a 10 – 30 minute phone call with Dee?
Velour also kept mentioning lawyers in her post, such as…
…. now the big law firms and attorneys representing WordPress, other blogging companies, and First Amendment groups are now involved in California (my state).
The big law firm Copyright and First Amendment attorneys advised the WordPress company about the design of the reblog feature prior to its release to users so that it would comply with federal Copyright Law, “Fair Use” law, so that rebloggers who follow blogs like TWW aren’t in violation of federal law.
So now all of those attorneys are spending time on this.
— (end Velour quote)–
I don’t know why Velour keeps mentioning “big shot attorneys.” Is this some sort of intimidation tactic?
In spite of the fact myself and a few others have corrected Velour several times over on these same matters, she keeps repeating the same falsehoods: that all of us advise that addicts be kicked out of churches, or that addicts not seek out treatment.
Velour is lying. Stop lying about other people’s views, Velour. Stop attributing views to them which they do not hold.
Velour: If you would apologize for your behavior on the TWW thread (and for some of it on Wade’s blog) and calm down, I think most everyone would be willing to give you a second chance, but you stubbornly keep up these false narratives and keep digging your hole deeper.
— July 30, 2017 Update —
Unless I misread the public post at Wartburg Watch wrong, Dee implied (in the post entitled: “Why Predators Choose Careers in the Clergy and the Members Who Love Them Anyway,” date: Fri Jul 21, 2017) that she perhaps spoke with someone privately who knows Velour personally in real life and knows why Velour had a melt down, and, she further implied that she would clue her readership in on all this, in a public, future post.
If that is so, (unless I horribly misunderstood) I do hope Dee (or Deb) do follow through and write a post on TWW blog telling us what went down behind the scenes.
As I was telling someone in the comments below, I found this ordeal like being on a very bumpy roller coaster ride. I would like some closure on the matter.
I hope that those at TWW blog do not brush this episode under the rug and pretend it never happened.
Something struck my memory today. I remember many times over on the Wartburg Watch blog, Velour would recount, under various threads spanning many months, how her former church would try to force her to be friends with an alcoholic woman in her church.
I found one of her comments about that situation here (dated Oct 20, 2016) though that is just one example. I remember Velour discussed this several other times on other threads, but that was the only post I could find.
…. At my former church, Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley, the senior pastor and the chairman of the elder board, ordered me into more than eight months of meetings to have “unity” with an older woman church member, a widow. They drew pictures on the blackboard, quoted Scriptures, discussed gossip and other topics.
They also did this with other church members.
The real issue – the widow is an alcoholic – they NEVER addressed. They instead went the incompetent, dangerous, unlicensed, unhelpful Nouthetic Counseling route.
….The alcoholic never got the care she needed, supervised by a licensed physician. She was harmed, her adult children were harmed, and church members were harmed.
Church members were even ordered to go to her to apologize to her for problems SHE had caused!
(end Velour quote)
I don’t know if it shows so much in that post by Velour, but I got the vibe in that post and in others, that Velour had no interest in befriending or associating with this alcoholic woman.
My impression is that Velour felt that this alcoholic woman at her church was annoying, creepy, or disturbed, so she did not want to spend time around her. Velour indicated that she did not want to be friends with this person.
Velour did make it clear that the woman needed some kind of medical attention, but, she didn’t personally want to hang out with this woman.
However, in the TWW blog ‘Sproul Jr. has an alcohol problem’ thread, and over on the Wade thread, Velour was essentially saying it’s not enough for an alcoholic to receive medical treatment, but they need to be permitted to be allowed to attend church as well.
Velour seems to feel that church people, Christians, and others, should be willing to buddy up with alcoholics, spend time with them, and give them hugs and rainbows.
But she herself didn’t seem too willing or keen on spending time with the alcoholic woman at her own, former church. Why does Velour expect other people to hang out with alcoholics, but she herself was unwilling to do this?
I happen to be related to a few alcoholics, so I don’t always have much of a choice but to associate with them.
Velour left a comment on Wade’s blog (in the Wade thread) a few days after I left her a two part reply.
(By the way, the Anonymous person who last left a post with an URL to one of my blog posts (at Sun Jul 30, 12:31:00 PM 2017)? – That was not me. I don’t know who that was.)
However, Velour she did not respond to the reply I left her, where I addressed some of her faulty arguments, and where I pointed out a few of the ways she continued to distort the views of other people.
Nor did Velour take into account that some of us she was complaining about are related to alcoholics and drug addicts, but she continues to act as though everyone who does not share her fevered outrage over alcoholism and addiction must hate all alcoholics and addicts.
___ August 3, 2017 ___
Someone has been leaving additional comments in the Wade thread under the “Anonymous” name, and they are not by me.
In the latest one, dated Aug 2 (link here), the Anonymous quoted part of a post I left below to someone else. I did not make that post, and I do not know who made it.
To whomever is making those posts: why not just come to this blog and comment here? I’m not even clear on why you’re posting stuff over there – to get a reaction from Christiane or Velour? I don’t know your motivation.