• Anti- ‘Me Too’ Hash Trend Advocates Seeking to Minimize Sexual Harassment Against Women; Tag Was Never About Rape Only – ‘Me Too’ Trend Is Not Suggesting that All Women are Weak, All Men are Sexual Abusers – Me Too Is Not a Witch Hunt

Anti- ‘Me Too’ Hash Trend Advocates Seeking to Minimize Sexual Harassment Against Women; Tag Was Never About Rape Only – ‘Me Too’ Trend Is Not Suggesting that All Women are Weak, All Men are Sexual Abuser – Me Too Is Not a Witch Hunt

Since the advent of the “Me Too” trend on Twitter, which began around October 2017, I’ve seen two or three of the same criticisms directed against it.

One of which is that “Me Too” somehow cheapens or diminishes more “serious” types of sexual harassment. About the only “serious” form I’ve seen raised by “Me Too” critics would be rape.

First of all, the “Me Too” hash trend started in response to the many news stories of workplace sexual harassment that began (but certainly did not end) with movie producer Harvey Weinstein.

Weinstein not only forcibly performed oral sex on some of his victims, but he also would masturbate in front of them.

The “Me Too” trend was never limited to rape only or intended to be about rape only.

I am stumped as to why many critics of “Me Too” (which unfortunately usually includes my fellow conservatives) keep wanting to insist that “Me Too” only covered rape, or that it should only be used to bring attention to rape.

If that were so, than Alyssa Milano, the actress who re-popularized the use of the Me Too hash on Twitter, should have just renamed it “#Rape” or “#RapeIsBad.”

But addressing the rape of women by men was not the scope of the project. It was never meant to be.

Sexual harassment can include many sorts of comments and behavior, not just rape.

As for me personally, when I think of the phrase “sexual harassment” I actually do not think of rape.

Rape to me would fall under a term such as “crime” or “sexual abuse.”

If some of the women (or men) utilizing “Me Too” hash wish to do so to call attention to rape, I don’t have a complaint about that, however.

That’s fine. But the hash trend was never meant to combat only the issue of rape, but of any type of unwanted form or sexism, sexual touching, or inappropriate behavior in the workplace, by men against women.

In my mind, the phrase “sexual harassment” refers to situations such as these:

  • The male boss who will fire a female subordinate unless she has sex with him.
  • The male co-worker who is making constant, unwanted, vulgar, sex-based comments to a female peer
  • Male dominated workplaces where some of the men tape up pornographic photos of women that women co-workers have to walk by and see daily
  • Women not being promoted or receiving equal pay for equal work based on their biological sex alone

Those are just a few examples of what comes to my mind when I think of the phrase “sexual harassment” as it applies to the work environment.

I would say that rape is unfortunately more common than anti- feminists like to admit, but, I would wager that ordinary, every day types of sexual harassment (that do not include forced oral sex or penis in the vagina penetration) are probably far more common.

I don’t know of anyone, outside of rapists themselves, or those who wish to protect them for whatever reasons (such as a wife of a rapist, mother of, or church who harbors one), who would defend a rapist, defend the action, or minimize rape.

I think most everyone (aside from rapists or their friends) would agree that out of all sexual offenses, that rape is the number one worst of them all.

Most everyone would agree that rape is worse than a man wolf whistling a woman on a city street. Most everyone would agree that rape is worse than a man showing his nude penis to a female co-worker.

One a scale of one to ten, with one being “less serious” and ten being “most serious,” I would say most people would probably place the category of rape at ten, with cat calling, buttocks grabbing, and so on, around one to five.

I honestly cannot think of anyone who would say rape is not a big deal (except for rapists, their friends, and conservative anti feminists, and people such as women-hating M.R.A. groups (men’s rights groups), who all have a vested interest in arguing that rape is not a big deal,  rape is supposedly over-reported, and women rape victims are partially at fault for having been raped.) I think just about everyone else agrees that rape is a very big deal, and that it’s disgusting.

Opposite Scenario

Ever since I started seeing anti- Me Too advocates wring their hands in worry about conflating “less serious” sexual offenses with more serious ones (and by more serious, they usually have in mind rape – I never see them list another example), I’ve been concerned with the opposite scenario:

We now have some conservatives, and a small sprinkling of liberals, arguing that girls and women should live in a world where they should just “put up with” the status quo of receiving unwanted, persistent sexual acts or sexual comments by men in the workplace.
These Anti Me Too advocates seem to be arguing this on the basis that only rape is wrong and bad, so that a male boss doing something like grabbing a woman subordinate’s buttocks without her consent is just fine, ergo, no woman should be tweeting or speaking out against groping.

Only (1). the issue of rape matters to these individuals, and they believe (2.) that rape is the one and only truly bad thing men do to women, and that (3.) rape is the only area of sexual abuse that should be discussed or addressed – and I disagree with this entire sentiment, with all three points.

Some women are actually redefining unwanted sexist and sexual behavior on the job as being nothing but mere “flirting.”

One woman’s flirting is another woman’s unwanted sexual attention. I tend to be the sort of woman who does not want men flirting with her in a place of employment.

I don’t think men have a “right” to try to “woo” me, comment on my dress, my appearance, make passes at me, grab my breasts or buttocks, or make sexually charged comments or lewd jokes in my presence, and above all, especially not in a work environment.

I don’t think it’s cute, manly, funny, or romantic for men to subject women to “flirting’ at the workplace, grabbing their breasts, telling dirty jokes, and so on.

But now (see links to follow, farther below, with examples), we have “Anti Me Too” proponents arguing that men have a “right” to sexually harass women in the workplace, and they are defining garden variety acts of sexual harassment (acts that are less serious than rape) as being “flirting.”

I find the “less serious” forms of sexual harassment (cat calling, the telling of dirty jokes, the grabbing of breasts, non-stop unwanted flirting, etc) to be very stressful when I was on the receiving end of this behavior.

I have been pursued by men back in college. Some of these men were in my college courses.

Whether I sent signs to them (via body language, facial expression) or told them flat out I was not interested, it would not deter them. Some of these jokers were in classes of mine.

I found this behavior by the men to be very distracting, alarming, and frightening. I spent more time worried and thinking about how to avoid these “Pepe Le Pew” guys who would not leave me alone and less time being able to think and concentrate on projects I was assigned in classes.

I was having to juggle making straight A’s in college with avoiding the interaction with men who had romantic or sexual interest in me, but I had none in them.

Groping, wolf whistles, and so on may not be as traumatic as rape, but they can be just as off putting, stressful, and distracting to a woman at a job, in a college class or where ever else.

In other news coverage of this Deneuve-signed Anti Me Too letter, I actually saw her argue that men are “entitled” or “have a right to” sexually harass women on the job; what she deems “flirtation” I deem “sexual harassment.”

This is what the “Anti Me Too” crowd has shamelessly devolved in to – telling women that louses who sexually harass them on the job should be pitied and tolerated (and, I have much more to say under these links and snippets from these articles):

Catherine Deneuve defends men’s ‘right to hit on’ women

Snippet:

“Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or clumsily, is not – and nor is men being gentlemanly a chauvinist attack.”

….They [the women who wrote and signed the letter denouncing the Me Too twitter hash] said that while it was legitimate and necessary to speak out against the abuse of power by some men, the constant denunciations have spiralled out of control.

According to the writers, this is creating a public mood in which women are seen as powerless, as perpetual victims.

…The backlash against the letter, however, has not been front-page news and is not trending on Twitter in France. The reason may be that controversy over exposing sex pests has been rumbling on for several months now in France.

The debate has mostly pitted those belonging to the older generation, who view #Metoo and similar campaigns as a threat to the sexual liberation achieved in the 1960s, against younger, activist types who feel that the battle against harassment is the latest stage in the fight for women’s rights.

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Catherine Deneuve and other French artists defend men’s “right” to hit on women

Catherine Deneuve and 100 other French women sign public letter disavowing #MeToo ‘witch hunt’

Snippets from that page:

More than 100 women signed an open letter Tuesday arguing against the #MeToo movement.

The letter, signed by renowned French actress Catherine Deneuve as well as writers, historians, journalists and entertainers, was published in Le Monde to “we defend freedom to importune, indispensable to sexual freedom.”

“Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or back-handedly, is not — nor is men being gentlemanly a macho attack,” the letter said.

“Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss.”

The #MeToo was relaunched in the midst of a slew of sexual harassment and assault allegations that overtook Hollywood and took down legends including Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey.

More than 300 actresses subsequently launched Time’s Up, a new initiative aiming to fight sexual harassment and assault in the workplace.

But the open letter argues that the campaigns have led to “denunciations and public accusations of people who, without giving them the possibility of responding or defending themselves, have been placed on exactly the same level as sex offenders.”

“This expeditious justice already has its victims, men sanctioned in their job functions, forced to resign, etc, while their only wrong is to have touched a knee, tried to steal a kiss, spoken of ‘intimate’ things during a professional dinner or to have sent sexually suggestive messages to a woman whose attraction was not reciprocal,” the letter read.

Asia Argento, one of the first women to publicly accuse Weinstein, slammed the letter.

“Catherine Deneuve and other French women tell the world their internalized misogyny has lobotomized them to the point of no return,” she tweeted Tuesday.

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Update: ‘Feminist’ Deneuve apologizes to sex assault victims…

I remember a couple of weeks ago, when I wrote a blog post or two criticizing conservative TV host Tucker Carlson on some of these points, and I tweeted about it, where I said, “So, Tucker is saying that rape is bad, but women should have to put up with groping, lewd jokes, etc at work” and some lady Tweeted me back, “Oh no, that’s not what he or we are saying at all.”

But yes, that is what Anti Me too supporters are ultimately suggesting.

Just look above, and you can see where the Tucker Carlsonian type anti me too rhetoric ends up: we now have Catherine Deneuve depicting unwanted touching and kissing of women as nothing more but innocent, silly, social faux paus that poor, stupid men are doing in their sad sack, lonely. awkward attempt to get love from some women, so we ladies should just give these poor guys a break.

Deneuve thinks, aw, we women should molly coddle and pity these poor, poor widdle darlings, these lonely little men, who just want some feminine attention. I don’t pity these men at all.

If these working men are lonely, they can go join J-Date, eHarmony, or have their sister fix them up on blind dates. It is no working woman’s responsibility to sit back and allow a male boss or coworker to subject her to romantic overtures, flirting, obscene jokes, nude dick photos, or allowing the man to kiss her or touch any part of her body.

What these types of anti Me Too advocates are saying is that men should be able to get away with any and all sexual misbehavior they want – except for rape.

What a perverted, demented view point.

By arguing as they do that rape should be the only male on female behavior we all rally against but everything else is acceptable, Anti Me Too’ers are also saying that women’s boundaries should not be respected, that women themselves, that each individual woman, should not be allowed to decide for herself, where and what her boundaries are, or if she’s even allowed to have any boundaries.

Anti Me Too’ers are further arguing that the needs and desires and careers of men are more important than that of women – and why? It’s a view that doesn’t make any sense.

Anti Me Too advocates who argue that women should have to endure (and in silence too – don’t draw attention to being sexually harassed to your Human Resources Departments, or on Twitter via “Me Too”), are saying that women do not have a right to choose who or what may touch or comment on their bodies; if you are a woman, your body is not your own, they are saying.

The only act I’ve seen anti – Me Too’ers label as a “sex offense” is rape.

Some of the Anti Me Too advocates may also concede that a man forcing oral sex on a woman is also a “sex offense,” but I’ve not seen them include that one.

The one and only sex offense I’ve seen any Anti Me Too’ers condemn is rape – but they seem to believe that any and all other forms of unwanted touching, or repeated verbal abuse of a sexual nature, is just fine and dandy, that women should have to walk into an office every day not knowing if their male coworker is going to grab their ass, or make horrible jokes about women being good for nothing but making men coffee, and so on.

And I’m saying, no.

Women should not have to endure butt grabbing, sexist attitudes, or sexist comments, especially not to maintain a livelihood. (If a man wants to be sexist, he can be sexist at his home, on his personal time.)

Short of unsolicited penis- in- the- vagina sexual activity, Anti Me Too’ers are saying women should have to put up with a man fondling any part of their body – a breast, buttock, an elbow, a knee.

And this is morally wrong.

Nobody has any right to touch any part of my body or anyone else’s, without my permission (if it’s my body), or without that person’s permission (if it’s their body in question).

I don’t care if it’s an arm, elbow, knee, or breast. All your body parts are off limits, unless the you give permission to be touched.

The absolute arrogance of the Catherine Denevues and women like her who think I, a woman, should allow any and all men to touch or kiss me when and how they want.

No Witch Hunt

As for the ‘witch hunt’ charge, which keeps being brought up by Anti Me Tooers.

The fact that we have so many women coming forward (and a few men) to finally open up and say they were sexually harassed at a job is a sign that sexual harassment is widespread. It’s not an indication that suddenly, hundreds of women across the nation are out to “get” men.

Sexual harassment is a problem, men who feel entitled to sexually harass women and that they also feel they can get away with it – because until now they could easily get away with it.

Now, thanks to a changed cultural climate, more victims feel comfortable coming forward. Stop blaming the many victims who’ve found the courage to go public.

I’ve also not yet heard of a single American man in America being fired without the employer doing some kind of investigation first.

Of course, some of these toads are going to initially deny they are sexual harassers or abusers.  I’ve noticed in some cases, some of them start out denying things after one woman steps forward, but by the time woman 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 step forward, the accused either start back tracking, apologizing, go silent on social media, or they hire a P. R. firm.

If a man keeps touching women on a knee, a breast, or where ever else; if a man has a pattern of trying to kiss a female co-worker (and she has made it clear one way or another she does not want to be kissed), and the employer fires that man as a result, good. Such men should be fired. I don’t feel sorry for such entitled, sexist little creeps at all.

Your workplace is an environment that should be professional.  Your workplace, unless you work as a porn actor on a movie set, is not about you getting sex, dates, or massages from the opposite sex. You were hired to file papers, give Power Point presentations, and write memos. Not flirt.

Me Too Hash Trend: Being Misrepresented

Many conservative or some other critics of the “Me Too” trend wrongly think that those who follow or support the trend are arguing as follows (this is taken from a tweet by conservative television and radio host Laura Ingraham):

Women are stronger than the  movement would have everyone believe. Not all men are predators and not all women saints. Gender stereotypes abound on left!

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I tweeted a reply to Ms. Ingraham (who I agree with on some topics, but not this one) that she has created a straw man argument.

The ‘Me Too’ movement is NOT arguing that all women are saints or that all men are predators. It’s never been about that.

For Ingraham or others to say that “Me Too” is suggesting that all women are angelic and all men are sexual abusers is intellectually dishonest.

What the ‘Me Too’ movement is conveying is that some men do use their positions of power and authority in a workplace, (or a lax workplace culture that looks the other way when men harass women), to sexually harass women.

Ms. Ingraham is not the first or only conservative I’ve seen who has framed the “Me Too” movement in this intellectually dishonest fashion. I’ve seen a few others on television or in blogs make similar claims.

I am disappointed. I expect more from other conservatives than repeatedly misrepresenting another group’s views.

I believe Ms. Ingraham worked as a lawyer at one point? Lawyers are educated individuals. Regardless of her employment history or educational background, she seems to be intelligent. Why would someone so intelligent so sloppily mischaracterize “Me Too?”

It does not take rocket science to understand any of this.

Either the people who are distorting what “Me Too” about are really, really dumb, or, they’re on an agenda to get women to shut up about being sexually harassed by men (the status quo is business as usual and makes them feel more comfortable), or, they are living in this bizarre parallel universe where they feel men are victims in society, who are preyed on constantly by mean, heartless women and feminists.

To get back to the opening point:

I did see a person leave a comment below a blog post (on another blog) who was saying she is a rape victim – she was raped years ago – and she said she feels that the “Me Too” movement is trivializing rape.

I am truly sorry for that woman’s experience, that she was sexually violated. Rape is evil.

Would this rape victim argue that she wants other women to put up with a male boss threatening to fire her unless she performs oral sex on him? Does that woman rape victim want to live in a society where women are expected to listen to repeated sex related jokes from a perverted male co-worker?

I’m sorry she was raped, but does she really want all women on jobs every where to have to put up with any and every deviant, disgusting sexual act or commentary but for forced penis in the vagina intercourse? Everything gets a blind eye, stamp of approval in her universe EXCEPT FOR forced penis in the vagina intercourse? If she would say “no,” then why on earth would she object to “me too” and complain on another blog that “me too” “trivializes” rape?

Nobody I’ve seen who supports the “Me too” tag has ever suggested that cat calling, butt grabbing, or a boss forcing them to look at their nude penis, is on the level of rape.

The ‘Me Too’ hash trend was begun not just to draw attention to instances of work- related rapes, but to any and all forms of workplace sexual harassment, which may involve, but is not limited to, less serious acts than rape, such as groping, receiving unsolicited penis photos from a boss, unwanted, persistent romantic flirting, to say women are facing all these issues and every thing in between, and they should not have to do so any more.

The Me Too movement by its very nature intended to call out any and all forms of workplace sexual harassment and sexual misbehavior (from severe to more mundane), so to the critics out there, stop already with the false narrative that “Me Too” is “minimizing rape” by “lumping in” less serious offenses with more serious ones.

As far as the Anti Me Too’ers going on and on about rape: I doubt most of you are even that sincere in wanting to stop rape or bring rapists to justice.

Almost every time I read about a rape case, the judge or jury lets the rapist off. The rapists gets a “slap on the wrist.”

People on social media will say or ask things about rape cases in the news such as, “Was the victim drinking alcohol at the time of the attack?”

  • “Did the victim already know the rapist?”
  • “But the victim agreed to go with her supposed rapist from the bar to his apartment”
  • “But the victim was wearing a sexy, short mini-skirt at the time of the rape”
  • “But didn’t the victim have 54 sexual partners in her history before meeting her alleged attacker?
  • “But the victim was walking alone on the city streets at 3 in the morning.”

Then we have the Brock Turner rape case.

Not only did Turner rape a woman who was passed out, but the judge only gave him six months jail time, and his father wrote the judge, saying the rape was really no big deal, so how about giving his son a break? Here are some links about that:

‘A steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action’: Dad defends Stanford sex offender 

The Judge Who Sentenced Brock Turner to Six Months in Jail Could Be Replaced by a Woman

Why the Stanford Judge Gave Brock Turner Six Months

Mad about Brock Turner’s sentence? It’s not uncommon  

Then there are news stories such as this one:

You’re not guilty of rape: Those skinny jeans were too tight to remove by yourself, jury rules

And there is this perversion:

Some women enjoy rape, says Brigitte Lahaie, ex-porn actress ally of Catherine Deneuve

You anti Me Too’ers are quite disingenuous. You claim to be out-raged, OUTRAGED, I say!, about rape – but – look at those news articles I just linked you to.

American society (and others) don’t take rape seriously.

Rape is treated like it’s not a big deal. The perps get off. The victims get shamed and victim-blamed.

We’re living in a world that may SAY they’are anti rape, but actions and headlines say otherwise.

It figures that a world that so easily pardons rapists and victim blames the rape victims would turn around and tell women to just quietly endure breast-grabbing, unwanted romantic attention, nude penis photos, dirty jokes, and cat calling at the job and elsewhere.

When I’m On the Job – The List

At previous jobs I’ve held, let me tell you what I did not want or expect by my bosses or co-workers (this is not an exhaustive list):

To be raped

To have someone grab my ass without my permission

To perform sex acts on someone to keep my job

To have to see posters or photos of naked women taped or pinned to the cubicles or office walls

To have to lick a co-worker’s or boss’s penis

To have to look at porn

To have to view photos of a co-worker’s or boss’s penis

To allow a co-worker or boss to lick some part of my anatomy

To be sweet, understanding, and patient with the weird, persistent, annoying, single lonely co-worker guy who keeps flirting with me, asking me to date him, though I’ve turned him down 100 times previously

To have to listen to sexual innuendo, dirty jokes, wolf whistles, or cat calling

Not only do I not want or expect to be raped on a job… but I also don’t want to have to put up with anything else on that list, either. Why is that so damn difficult to understand?

What part of that are you anti Me Too’ers are not grasping?

Most of you Anti Me Too’ers rightly comprehend that no woman should be raped at her job, but oddly, you claim women should have to either put up with everything else on that list, or put up with even one other thing on that list – and you would probably also laughingly claim to be pro-woman and anti-sexism at the same time.

Everything on that list above is wrong and bad. You can of course argue that rape is worse than a woman being subjected to dirty jokes by a male boss, but all of it is immoral, sexist, unwanted, and unprofessional, even if a conservative such as Laura Ingraham or a woman such as Catherine Deneuve tells you otherwise.

Perhaps Ms. Ingraham and Ms. Deneuve don’t mind when male co-workers grab their asses, knees, or elbows without their persmission, but I, for one, very much object to men (or women) doing those things around me or to me.

To the Anti Me Too’ers, one more time: stop diminishing any and all forms of sexual harassment against women by men by insisting that only rape is wrong or bad, and that the MeToo hash should only be used to discuss rape – that was never the trend’s only focus.

Outside of rapists and their family members who don’t want to see them convicted, there’s not a person alive who thinks rape is dandy.

But neither is groping, or threats of termination if a woman doesn’t sleep with a boss, and all the other forms of sexual harassment takes other than rape. That other, less serious stuff isn’t fine, either.

Related reading, on other web sites:

No, #MeToo Isn’t McCarthyism by S. Gilbert

Critics of the movement against sexual harassment and assault charge that it’s going too far, but their arguments take very little stock of what women are actually saying.

Catherine Deneuve, let me explain why #metoo is nothing like a witch-hunt

There is nothing puritanical about the belief that sexual liberty is the right to determine your sexual behaviour without coercion

…That’s why we are so angry – not because we are “puritanical”, as the letter claims, but because we are seeking joy from sexual contact on our own terms, not abuse or exploitation on someone else’s.

…“Sexual liberty” is the right to determine your own sexual behaviour, without coercion. Dare I suggest that those of us who have lived without power and status perhaps understand this with a greater keenness of experience than those who have?

…Should it really have to be stated that – unlike the perpetrators exposed by #metoo – society’s “witches” are never the powerful men with the property, status and advantages of a social order that protects, hides and excuses their crimes?

David M Perry emphasised the point in the Pacific Standard this week that “historically speaking … witch hunts involved powerful state and religious agencies identifying then executing vulnerable people, mostly women and other outsiders.”

…Only within the structural narcissism encouraged in Hollywood’s predator-barons and those like them could being held to account for one’s own behaviour provoke complaints of victimisation.

No less than accused child molester Woody Allen has claimed that the denunciation of Weinstein is fostering “a witch hunt atmosphere” in a film industry that, even yet, sustains him.

Thanks, Catherine Deneuve, for being brave enough to address the human rights issue of our time: men’s right to hit on women 

Snippets:

We’re experiencing ‘a puritanical wave of purification’, I read, while sitting opposite a billboard featuring a naked woman orgasmically proclaiming her lust for yoghurt

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When I scan the international news these days, there’s one human rights issue that I believe urgently needs our attention: a man’s right to hit on a woman. Sadly, it seems like we’ve made progress in so many other areas – we made rape within marriage illegal in 1991, remember! – but perhaps we’ve slipped up elsewhere.

…It’s a “witch hunt”, this #MeToo stuff, said Deneuve and her co-signatories – and everyone loves a bit of “witch hunt” chat, don’t they?

Invoking the Salem witch trials is rapidly becoming the new Godwin’s Law.

Luckily there weren’t real witch hunts which led to the burning and drowning of hundreds of women unfairly accused of using black magic because of their feminine wiles, and lucky some women still aren’t murdered or maimed by their families across the world after being accused of witchcraft, otherwise that sort of phraseology could be seen as really insensitive.

…What many don’t seem to understand is that women don’t collapse in the face of one “Nice tits, love!” shouted from a vehicle going past your house when you step out in the morning.

Instead, they get worn down by the constant drip-drip-drip of harassment and dismissal.

It’s not one hand on your knee – it’s a hand on the knee, then a yell in the street, then an unwanted few tweets about your appearance, then the man who comes and sits right next to you in an empty train carriage, then the group of teenage boys who grab at you outside the station, then the “open secret” about the behaviour of a powerful man towards young women, then your pay packet mysteriously being so much less weighty than your male peers’, then being told that if it was higher men wouldn’t want to date you anyway because they’d be “intimidated” and no one likes a woman who’s too clever.

It’s the disbelief of everyone when you do speak out, the whispers that you’re probably doing it for the money or the attention. It’s the culture which demands you put on make-up and wear high heels and figure-hugging clothing to be “smart” and “professional”, and then blames you for wearing lipstick and a pencil skirt when your boss makes a move on you.

Above all, it’s being asked to take responsibility for the actions of men.

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Has #MeToo gone too far, or not far enough? The answer is both

Snippets:

It’s the historical amnesia of the Deneuve document that’s so objectionable. To the extent that women’s bodies are still treated as public property by men, whether that means groping us or deciding what we can do with our uteruses, women do not have civic equality.

To miss that point is to miss the political importance and the political lineage of #MeToo: the latest step in a centuries long political struggle for women to simply control our own bodies.

…The mind-body split assumed in the letter’s supposedly rousing conclusion – “Incidents that can affect a woman’s body do not necessarily affect her dignity …because we are not reducible to our bodies. Our inner freedom is inviolable” – reduces all available freedom to the inner sanctum of our minds. The authors appear to believe that what happens to the body doesn’t happen to the person.

The political requirement of the post-#MeToo moment is insisting that control of our bodies is the beginning of freedom. Not its terminus, but a starting point. Freedom needs to be more than notional, it also needs to be embodied. 

Women strike back at Catherine Deneuve for slamming #MeToo movement

Snippets:

French feminists were quick to respond [to the Deneuve anti Me Too letter and they did so on the FranceInfo site].

“With this column they are trying to build back the wall of silence we have started breaking down,” women’s rights activist Caroline De Haas and her roughly 30 co-signers wrote in their own open letter, titled “The pigs and their allies have reason to worry,” and published on the franceinfo website.

Dismissing victims of sexual violence or harassment as hating men, was “contemptuous” of the women who had suffered those experiences, the rebuttal said, adding signatories of the letter in Le Monde were trying to “slam back the lid” that had been blown off by the #MeToo movement.

“The (male chauvinist) pigs and their allies have reason to be worried. Their old world is fast disappearing,” the letter added.

…The authors of the france info letter didn’t pull any punches, charging that most of the women who signed the letter in Le Monde were “recidivists in defending child abusers”, in reference to the support of Deneuve and others on the list had given to film director Roman Polanski, who has waged a nearely 40-year fight against extradition to the US on rape charges.

Update: ‘Feminist’ Deneuve apologizes to sex assault victims…

January 14, 2018

Paris (AFP) – French film star Catherine Deneuve who touched off a worldwide feminist backlash over an open letter she had signed bashing the #MeToo movement apologised to victims of sexual assault, and said there was “nothing good” about harassment.

“I warmly greet all the victims of these hideous acts who might have felt offended by that letter which appeared in Le Monde (Tuesday). It is to them and them alone that I offer my apologies,” the actress said in a letter published Sunday on the website of French daily Liberation.

Deneuve also said that there was “nothing in the letter” to Le Monde that said “anything good about harassment, otherwise I wouldn’t have signed it.”

France’s most revered actress was among 100 prominent women to sign the open letter defending a man’s right to “bother” women, complaining that the campaign against harassment had become “puritanical”.

They deplored the wave of “denunciations” which has followed claims that Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted and harassed women over decades..

They branded it a “witch-hunt” that they claim threatens sexual freedom.

“I love freedom,” Deneuve wrote in the letter to Liberation. “I don’t like this characteristic of our era where everyone feels they have the right… to condemn. An era where simple denunciations on social networks cause punishment, resignation, and… often media lynching,” she wrote.

She also protested not being considered a feminist. She recalled that she had been among the women who had signed a manifesto “I had an abortion” in defence of abortion rights written by French feminist icon Simone de Beauvoir.

As an actress since she was 17, Deneuve admitted that during her career she had been “a witness to indelicate situations” between men and women.

– ‘A free woman’ –

But that Le Monde letter triggered a wave of protest from feminists and victims of harassment and assault worldwide, including one of the women who has accused Weinstein of rape.

Italian actress Asia Argento, who was among the first to denounce Weinstein, said in a tweet: “Deneuve and other French women tell the world how their interiorised misogyny has lobotomised them to the point of no return.”

A group of leading French feminists also excoriated Deneuve in a counterblast letter to French radio, branding her and the other signatories as “apologists for rape”.


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