• The Born That Way Argument

The Born That Way Argument

A guy at Wartburg Watch made the following comment:

by David

The slippery slope of culture. Accept homosexuality, not as a lifestyle choice but you are burn [born] that way. Children as young as five years old announcing they are transgendered, years before they reach puberty, and now at of Germany (article below), the assertion that child predators are “born that way.” Can anyone see this chasm that we have crossed in the past 10 plus years??


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One of the self-avowed progressives on the thread was upset by that remark and replied:

by  Muslin, fka Dee Holmes on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:15 PM said:

I object strenuously to this comment. LGBT does not equate to pedophilia. I would note that the reason child predators are punished is because children cannot consent to sexual contact. Seriously, I find this comment repulsive and it makes me very angry.

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Was David conflating homosexuality with pedophilia? I’m not sure. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn’t.

What I do know is that it’s strange for progressives or anyone else to get angry over someone mentioning that pedophiles or other groups, like homosexuals prior, use the “don’t make X illegal or say it’s immoral; I can’t help it, I was born that way!” argument.

I remember during the 1990s – and this may have started in the 1980s – homosexual rights groups began arguing that they were born homosexual, so society should back off and leave them alone and strip law books of anti-sodomy laws and so on.

That went on for a good decade or more.

Afterwards, pro-pedophilia groups – people who admit to being sexually attracted to children and who want adult-child sex legalized – began arguing that they are just “born that way.”

There are people who want incest legalized.

And yet later, Zoophiles – people who advocate for human-animal sex – also began claiming they are “born that way” and hence, they argue or reason, bestiality should be legal or carry no societal disdain.

Some zoophiles, in articles I’ve read, have expressed frustration or confusion as to why homosexual rights groups don’t want to support their bestiality.

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• Southern Baptists Are Having To Defend Themselves Against the Accusation That They’re Becoming Feminists

Southern Baptists Are Having To Defend Themselves Against the Accusation That They’re Becoming Feminists

One of the mis-givings I have with being a conservative is sitting back and watching other conservatives automatically reject any and all grievances raised by secular or Christian feminists (and doing so without honestly weighing if the feminist points have merit or not), or to associate seeking justice and equality for women with extreme, militant feminism, and therefore rejecting it out-right.

There is nothing anti- conservative, or un-biblical, with conservatives, Republicans, Christians, or with anyone, noticing that sexism exists and seeking to rectify the situation and to ensure that girls and women are treated with respect, and given equality of opportunity.

The Southern Baptists Dumped a Predator or Two, but Let’s Hold Off on the F-word

Jul 16, 2018, 1:54pm Anne Linstatter

The #metoo and #churchtoo movements have put SBC leaders on the defensive, as earlier revelations of widespread child sexual abuse by priests did to the all-male Roman Catholic hierarchy. Yet both groups continue to deny that there could be any connection between all-male power and the sexual abuse of women and children.

What a hoot! Southern Baptists are having to defend themselves against the accusation that they’re becoming feminists.

What have they done to deserve this F-word? They’ve kicked out the president of a seminary for counseling victims of domestic violence to keep quiet, and for telling at least one rape victim to forgive her assailant and not report to police. They dethroned a few other predator pastors and confessed to past failures to protect the weak.

This counts as feminism?

I’d simply call it justice regardless of gender—which, by the way, actually is the definition of feminism.

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• Religious Trauma Syndrome and the (Negative) Effects of Religion on Mental Health

Religious Trauma Syndrome and the (Negative) Effects of Religion on Mental Health

Several years ago, atheist Richard Dawkins made some kind of comment about any and all religion being taught to a child by his or her parents as being a form of “child abuse.” That Dawkins did not offer any caveats or qualifiers to that comment made it seem very obnoxious to me.

I personally do not think that all religion, or belief in a deity is always, or necessarily, or by default, detrimental. It would depend on the particulars involved.

There are many conservative (and possibly some progressive) Christians who would have an automatic negative response to a post such as this one, if they believe it includes Christianity.

Yet, these same Christians (the conservatives especially) would not hesitate to recognize and acknowledge the negative, harmful ramifications of Satanism, militant Islam, or some types of atheist worldviews. They seem hesitant to admit that those who wear the same label as themselves – “Christian” – also at times express repulsive views or practice abuse.

RTS – Religious Trauma Syndrome

I believe this is Winell’s site – or Dr. Darrel Ray’s:

Recovering From Religion

Podcast: Living After Faith

Dr. Marlene Winell joins us for a discussion of Religious Trauma Syndrome and PTSD. Valerie Tarico’s interview with Dr. Winnell. Journey Free Dr. Marlene Winnell’s

The Health Effects of Leaving Religion

…Not every recent deconvert necessarily needs these resources, though. Some who leave religion become healthier than they were before. This was the case for Annie Erlandson.

…Other negative health behaviors sometimes associated with being religious, according to social psychologist Dr. Clay Routledge in Psychology Today, are cognitive dissonance (consistent religious doubts can harm your health) and avoidant coping.

An example of the latter is the attitude that things are “all in God’s hands,” which could potentially keep people from taking action on behalf of their own health.

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• Women Saw #MeToo Coming 100 Years Ago. When Will We Listen? by K. K. DuMez

Women Saw #MeToo Coming 100 Years Ago. When Will We Listen?

In the course of this work, [Christian author] Bushnell was startled to discover that it was often Christian men who were guilty of perpetrating horrific violence against women.

Equally troubling, she discovered that “respectable” Christian men and women all too frequently condoned that violence, blaming the victim or simply looking the other way.

… Bushnell was ultimately compelled to ask: Is Christian theology to blame?

Searching the Scriptures, she was drawn to passages supporting traditional notions of male headship.

… what puzzled Bushnell was that men who purported to follow Christ—the incarnate God who emptied himself and submitted to death on a cross—did so by claiming power over women.

As she understood the gospel message, only a sinner would wish “to exalt himself and have dominion over others”—and he would do so “in exact proportion to the degree of selfishness in his heart.”

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• It’s Not about Paige Patterson: Sex and Gender in the SBC and Beyond by Dr. McGowan

It’s Not about Paige Patterson: Sex and Gender in the SBC and Beyond by Dr. McGowan

Part One:

It’s Not about Paige Patterson: Sex and Gender in the SBC and Beyond

Part Two:

It’s Not about Paige Patterson, Continued: Sex and Gender Beyond Evangelicalism – by Elesha Coffman

Snippets from that page (Part One):

… Still, as my friend Todd Littleton has said, it is important to recognize that this isn’t really about Paige Patterson. This isn’t even about Southern Baptist seminaries.Patterson is merely a symptom of a much larger problem.

And while Todd is right to call out the theology of glory at work in Southern Baptist churches, I would like to draw attention to something more specific: the sex and gender ideology that saturates the SBC and American evangelical culture more broadly.

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• The Pain Wrought by Complementarian Theology by Elesha Coffman

The Pain Wrought by Complementarian Theology by Elesha Coffman

Yes, complementarian theology has real-life, usually negative, consequences upon the lives of girls and women, but do complementarians care? Nope.

Defending their particular interpretation of the Bible – which entails complementarianism – takes precedence over the welfare of actual people.

The Pain Wrought by Complementarian Theology


First off, let me say that I agree with everything Emily Hunter McGowin wrote about the gas-lighting of evangelical women long before, and far beyond, what has recently been exposed about Paige Patterson and the Southern Baptist Convention.

I heard all of the same messages she did as I grew up in evangelical churches, conditioning me to believe that it was my constant responsibility to manage men’s sexual temptation while deferring to their authority.

The specific contours of evangelical gender ideology, especially as defined by the Religious Right from the 1970s onward, place crushing burdens on women. I ultimately had to leave evangelicalism in order not to lose my faith and my sanity.

But it’s not just evangelicalism.

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• Why Gender Complementarianism Contributes to Sexism and Abuse of Women and is Ineffective at Halting It

Why Gender Complementarianism Contributes to Sexism and Abuse of Women and is Ineffective at Halting It

A lot of “kind” complementarian Christian men, ones who do not abuse their wives, have a very difficult time comprehending how it is some (like me) can say complementarianism is abusive or sexist, when, these men say, they have never, nor would they ever, physically abuse their wives or rape little girls.

First of all, abuse (and sexism) comes in different flavors and forms.

Not all abuse or all bad consequences of a belief set manifests itself in sexual or physical assault. That is a topic I’ve discussed in other blog posts about complementarianism and its negative ramifications, so I won’t belabor it here.

Some types of abuse or sexism are more obvious to the eye than other types.

Complementarians are also obsessed with marriage and motherhood, which ends up marginalizing childless, child-free, divorced, never-married and widowed women.

Complementarians fixate upon battling liberal cultural wars, so they will utilize their peculiar gender role theology as a means of fighting things they dislike, view as threats, or disagree with, such as transgenderism, abortion, women holding careers outside of the home, and so on.

But those are topics for other posts.

One of the other main concerns with complementarianism, the one with which I want to discuss in this post, pertains to convincing Christian women that it is in their best interest to willingly roll over and concede power, control, and authority to the men in their lives, everyone from their husbands (if they are married), to their male pastor, to male co-workers, and that this is all, supposedly, totally biblical and God’s intent. This teaching and focus is not going to do any good at fighting abuse of girls and women, but will actually enable or else actually exacerbate it.

Complementarian adherents are concerned with male hierarchy and female subordination. They are fixated, and to an abnormal degree I’d add, with the topic of “gender roles” and who gets to do what, according to biological sex.

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